Cape Citizens Comment to PSC regarding Article X

The following are Public Hearing comments regarding Article X that were submitted to the New York State Public Service Commission by Cape Vincent Citizens. They are unedited as received by the PSC.

Comment by Janet Radley

Our recently elected Town Officials have  never wanted Wind in our Town,they have done everything against it. They have formed a committee to draw up new regulations to strigent for wind to come in. They came to this town to retire and most live here only about 3 months of the year.They don't care about saving the school or the people who live here year round struggling to survive and pay taxes to keep their one homes. We really need the income to keep most importantly our school open.I have seven grandchildren that will attend this school,one starting next year and the rest soon to follow. 
Comment by Don Mason

It would help our dieing Town and school district to keep going.
It is not often that citizens of a democracy actually
petition their government to take away home rule
as well as the rights of others in their communities.
Comment by Margaret Pond

I am a resident of Cape Vincent, NY.,have lived here and operated a business for over 50 years, now two of my sons carry on the business. I would like to recover some of the taxes paid to the town and county during those years by having turbines on my property which consists of 215 acres.

Our small town is governed by a majority of people who have moved here and have more money than most locals. They did alot of underhanded scheeming to get rid of our planning and town board members in  last falls election. They replaced local people with their people who know nothing about running the town, the only facts they know is they don't want turbines and will go to extremes to prevent them from coming.

Our local elemetary school is being threatened for closure, just one more thing Cape Vincent won't have to lure young families.  Our High school budgets have been cut also too, at a sad rate.  The turbines could solve alot of these problems.  We need this income in our town to lower or eliminate taxes, help our schools and help bring more money, new business and more tourism.

As of now, our "new town board" has proposed a bunch of new regulations so strict, they could do away with turbines.  I wish to say we need " Article X" to intervene, to put a stop to their controlling actions.

Comment by Sandy Payne

I am a lifetime perminent resident of Cape Vincent, NY.  I am involved in the Voters for Wind Committee in our town.  I will not be profitting from the windmills when they come to our town.  The town is in a lot of turmoil; but our schools need the windmills; as we are about to lose our Elemtary School because of financial reasons and our High School is operating on a very small budget.  Our schools are in trouble and could use the Pilot money that they could receive.  Everyone could use the help.  I have a lot of family and friends who are also in favor of windmills, and there are several others too.

Thank you for listening,

Comment by Richard Lawrence

In the Matter of the Rules and Regulations of the Board on Electric Generation Siting and the Environment, containing in 16 NYCRR, Chapter X, Certification of Major Electric Generating Facilities.
Exibit 19
Their has been no public outcry about the noise from the windfarms currently operating. This in itself should weight heavily against those who say it will ruin their lives and their health. While there are certain conditions that cause the sound to be anoying, they are very short lived. We have speed boats and jet skis on the river that make much more anoying noise. 
Exhibit 27
The majority of the people who are against wind generation have a very comfortable standard of living. They selfishly do not care about those of us who struggle to pay our county and school taxes. On this mornings local news, wind turbanes were praised for keeping the Lowville School District financialy healthy. The rest of us are struggling to keep our teaching staff and programs in place. Wind  farms are a win win situation for green energy and massive tax relief for our towns and schools.
As far as property values, simply check to see what  the property values have done in the towns who currently have wind farms.
Thank You  Rick Lawrence

Comment by Paul and Elaine Mason

In the Matter of the Rules and Regulations of the Board on Electric Generation Siting ane the Environment, contained in 16 NYCRR, Chapter X, Certification of Major Electric Generation Facilities. I would like to address Exhibit 28 concerning economics benefits of wind. Living here our whole life, we love the beautiful area along the St. Lawrence River and Lake Ontario. Life long residents such as farmers,landowners,business owners,etc. could really benefit from the wind farm economically. The local schools,town,county, and landowners are in dire need of the income and possibly tax savings a wind farm could bring to the area. The seasonal residents and retired people,who have moved to our town,are not in need of the financial benefits. They made their money in the big cities,etc. and have brought it back in their suitcases. They are not interested in financial benefits to our schools, because they have no   children or grandchildren attending these schools. We, as landowners and farmers have been stewards of the land our whole life and have worked long, hard hours producing crops to feed the people and now , we have another crop that could be harvested from our land to benefit many people, "the wind", a clean energy.The more we talk to people from other wind farm towns, we have heard how the turbines have greatly increased their economy. They have brought more  people  as tourists and more business developments to their areas.All the studies that have been done,show no negative impact on  tourism.  


  1. Anonymous5/03/2012

    Anonymous said...
    To the PSC.

    The comment submitted by Janet Radley did not tell the truth about the elected officials in the Town of Cape Vincent. She made the claim that "most live here about 3 months of the year".

    Each duly elected official who serves the town of Cape Vincent is a full time resident of the town.

    None of the Town of Cape Vincent Public officials live at other residences in other owns and all of them have attended to their duties for the entire fiscal and business year of their service.

    Ms. Radley's charge should be ignored.

  2. Anonymous5/03/2012

    Them city rich folk had the opportunity to work their whole lives to afford a place in the Cape on the Watter. We sat on the farm and had to suck up them subsidies to stay afloat. It aint easy to support your family on free money from the government? You try going to career day with your kids when you have to tell them other kids you aint never had ambition to get a real job so you just had to sit on your ass at the farm all day. Its tough. What I would give to be a lawyer, a doctor an, executive. That care free, no stress, easy livn life style must be nice. To bad cape elementry didnt hand out none of them docter certificates like them Rochester schools do. If only I wasnt forced to live the life of a farmer.... if only...

  3. Anonymous5/03/2012

    I want my money! I want my money, dammit!

  4. Anonymous5/03/2012

    Who is going to write the book on this very unusual town that actually is asking their government to take away home rule and force a foreign corporation on their community.

  5. Anonymous5/03/2012


    There is one exception to what you say. The mayor of the Village of Cape Vincent lives in Watertown, NY.
    My kids go to the same school as his kids in Watertown and he is the Mayor of Cape Vincent. It is one real weird place up there.

  6. Anonymous5/03/2012

    "Who is going to write the book on this very unusual town that actually is asking their government to take away home rule and force a foreign corporation on their community."

    Someone who want's to write about some very greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy, people.

    They may have well written this:

    "I am greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy. Not only that, I am extremely desperate. So desperate, that I will lie, and cheat. Help me. I want my money, dammit."

  7. Anonymous5/03/2012

    I applaud all of these people for taking the time to give us their opinions. Much of what they say, however, is nothing new. These same arguments were made in the first public session in the spring of 2006 at the fire hall. In those days, however, the school wasn't an issue so people weren't telling us we needed wind to save our school. Then they told us we needed wind to lower our taxes, but no one ever said by how much.

    I can understand people wanting to cash-in on a good thing, an opportunity that doesn't come along, but once in a lifetime. But, do you have to justify it by denigrating other people in the process? The idea that anti wind are all seasonal people coming here in the summer with suitcases filled with money. Attacking your neighbor isn't a way to make your case.

    Everyone who had a hand in writing this post was obviously trying to enlighten us and perhaps change our attitude toward industrial wind. Fine. That's perfectly reasonable, but why insult us at the same time? Accusing us of setting up a fraudulent election, not caring about local schools when we've paid more school taxes than all of you wind supporters combined.

    It's strange that you've taken the time to try to educate us about your concerns and desires, but at the same time feel it's your duty to tell us to go to hell. Remarkable, but nevertheless thanks for your effort.

  8. Anonymous5/03/2012

    Janet Radley should clear up her statement to the PSC about most town of Cape Vincent officials living here only 3 months a year. She actually said that on a PSC web site. Commenting is one thing but lying about others is another. It should be retracted.

    It is not true.

  9. Anonymous5/03/2012

    Mr. Mason may be the steward of his land but he is not the steward of my land.

    Mr. Mason needs a lesson in democracy.

  10. Anonymous5/03/2012

    Hell you slit the towns throat by selfish self interest and incompetent governing and now you want to put a band aid on it for survival. The town will grow and be a thriving river community with individuals who really care about its future and the upcoming " kids"

  11. Anonymous5/03/2012

    im curious are any of those people veterans ?

  12. Anonymous5/03/2012

    The three newly elected members of the town board are all veterans. Byrne was Army, Schneider was a marine. and Hirschey was in her forever and retired with rank from the reserves.

  13. Anonymous5/03/2012

    7:08 i meant the commenters.

  14. Anonymous5/03/2012

    Not sure where your going with this. Only veterans can comment? or if some veterans are commenting should they be pissed as hell these people would throw the freedom they served to protect to the dogs to get some wind money? I hope its the latter.

  15. Anonymous5/03/2012

    Gary King and Ellen King are out siders. Who the hell is he to come into town and tell me how to run things.

  16. Anonymous5/03/2012

    They couldn't possibly be vetrans and stomp on our citizens right to vote.

    These letters show nothing more than unbridled greed. What turnip truck did they fall off of that they think only native citizens have any rights.

    Their tactics disgust me, I will never vote for anyone that Wiley/King put up, NEVER!

  17. Anonymous5/03/2012

    The commenters were never in the armed forces that I know of. It would be interested to know more of their history. Did they ever play competitive sports in high school? Have they ever traveled and gained exposure to other places and compared that exposure to what we have here? They fail to acknowledge wind turbine; noise,
    shadow flicker in homes, shadows on the ground, health problems, property value losses, flashing lights at night, destruction of viewshed in the day, etc

  18. Anonymous5/03/2012

    Wow. Unbelievable.

    I never realized the wind people were so prejudiced.
    I just learned a lot. I have heard K. Stumpf talk about turbines they are getting. And now she says she is not a recipient. Oh...maybe in her son or hubby's name.

  19. Anonymous5/03/2012

    King and these VFW commenters called the new board elitists. But from the comments they posted they must be the entitled-ists. They believe they are entitled to get their money and the rest of us just better SHUT UP!

  20. Anonymous5/04/2012

    The comment by Janet Radley of Cape Vincent, NY that claims the elected town officials, "Came to this town to retire and most live here only about 3 months of the year" should be redacted by Radley.
    Town Supervisor Urban Hirschey lives year around in Cape Vincent. He serves as a full time supervisor. One subordinate who works for the town told me Hirschey works far above and beyond the twenty hours per week that is normal for the position.
    Councilman Mickey Orvis lives in Cape Vincent year around and is not retired.
    Councilman John Byrne lives in Cape Vincent year around is not retired.
    Councilman Brooks Bragdon lives in Cape Vincent year around and is not retired.
    Councilman Clif Schnieder lives in Cape Vincent year around and is retired.
    A town employee told me that every one of the town councilman has attended every regular board meeting as well as special meetings for as long as the employee could remember and none of them are only in Cape Vincent 3 months of the year.
    This comment by Radley is available to everyone. It is public information as well as information that will be reviewed by the State PSC and their legal staff.
    The Radley statement is wrong and harmful to all of the duly elected Town of Cape Vincent pubic officials.

  21. Janet Radley's false assertion about the councilmans' full-time residence will certainly compromise her her credibility with any state siting board. And open the door to call into question the credibility of other pro-wind comments.

    To any siting board, it will become readily apparent that virtually all the pro-wind comments are nothing more than desperate attempts to ensure they get their lease-money, even if it means lying. Talk about making decisions based on emotions instead of facts. Wow.

    And besides, these types of inflammatory comments will discourage any siting board from coming near Cape Vincent.

    To put it another way, if I were on a siting board, I wouldn't come near Cape with a 10 foot pole, or even a 250 foot turbine tower.

  22. Anonymous5/04/2012

    I am sorry I did not proof read my letter before I sent it. Why would I intentionally lie about something that can be disproved so easy.I know you can't live here for 3 months of the year and run for the Office. Again I should of
    proof read it,I don't suppose anyone of you did something like that have you?
    Janet Radley

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  25. Anonymous5/05/2012

    Karen Stumpf said, "the anti's just don't want them."

    You are absolutely correct, Karen. That is why we are called "anti's".

    And the anti-wind in Cape Vincent is growing and will grow even more as your group and the State of New York attempts to take away our right to local rule.

    We have a right to vote in Cape Vincent provided we live here 30 days.

    We have a right to vote for whom we please without prejudiced, harassment. and intimidation from the wiley/kings and your voters for wind.

    We have a right for a town board to regulate industrial wind.

    We have a right to vote on a wind PILOT.

    We have a right to fight for local rule.

    Some towns won't fight for local rule and that is their choice. But Cape Vincent will fight for local rule and we will.

    You voters for wind can try to take away all of our rights if you want, but we will fight it.

    If you live in Cape Vincent for 30 days of the year.
    Even if you don't own property here, you have a right to vote here.

    And, if you love this town and hate the idea of trashing it with industrial wind, please register to vote here.

  26. Anonymous5/05/2012

    Actually Janet

    You are not wrong about that.

    Our Village Mayor lives in Watertown permanently and still is our Mayor.

  27. Anonymous5/05/2012

    the village mayor living in watertown is a good point.
    he is a staunch supporter of his wind friends and of m mason who works for the village. m mason worked very hard to convince the mayor to travel back to the cape to support him. there is now concern by the pro-wind village trustee's that a town of cape board member is attending village trustee meetings in an attempt to understand and report to the town about village business. the village of chaumont is considering consolidation. since we don't even have a mayor from the cape we should start thinking consolidation. wind is only offering 225,000 a year. but consolidation would save much more than that and we would be able to replace m masons expensive position with a duly elected and accountable and non-wind conflicted highway superintendent.

  28. Anonymous5/08/2012

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  29. Anonymous5/09/2012

    Wow 9:03

    Now there is proof that the wiley/king voter for wind element are the scum of the earth and will resort to anything.

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  31. Anonymous5/09/2012

    Why remove the article on Brooks Bragen twice. Let the truth be known about this person. Let the people know what they elected to the town board. I know he's not military material, in fact he would never be allowed to join any military branch by his back ground.

  32. Anonymous5/10/2012

    I saw your first comment before JLL took it down.

    I would suggest you blow him in to Harold Wiley and Gary King. They could write some letters for you and do one of their famous privilege of the floors and as a result, even more people will register to vote against them. But before you do, remember that a lot of voters for wind children were or are druggies, too.

    Conflicts of interest in the government are far more dangerous than a person who may or may not have smoked dope as a kid.

  33. Anonymous5/10/2012

    A lot of people shack up and never get married and live in sin. A far more serious crime in the Catholic Church than smoking dope which was never mentioned in the Bible.

    May the Lord be with your and forgive you.